Comments on: Now That Steve Rubel Said It, We Can All Participate http://www.crttbuzzbin.com/2007/06/22/now-that-steve-said-rubel-it-we-can-all-participate/ Musings and analysis on marketing, buzz and communications. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:07:22 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Hacking Content » The Buzz Bin http://www.crttbuzzbin.com/2007/06/22/now-that-steve-said-rubel-it-we-can-all-participate/comment-page-1/#comment-79043 Hacking Content » The Buzz Bin Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:09:17 +0000 http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/blog/2007/06/22/now-that-steve-said-rubel-it-we-can-all-participate/#comment-79043 [...] blogger who has this kind of an issue going on.  Like when another one seemed to be doing this a couple years ago, grumbling is occurring on the backchannel. I have to wonder how much longer the words top will be [...] [...] blogger who has this kind of an issue going on.  Like when another one seemed to be doing this a couple years ago, grumbling is occurring on the backchannel. I have to wonder how much longer the words top will be [...]

]]> By: The Buzz Bin » Blog Archive » The A-List Phenomena http://www.crttbuzzbin.com/2007/06/22/now-that-steve-said-rubel-it-we-can-all-participate/comment-page-1/#comment-3804 The Buzz Bin » Blog Archive » The A-List Phenomena Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:03:11 +0000 http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/blog/2007/06/22/now-that-steve-said-rubel-it-we-can-all-participate/#comment-3804 [...] usually brilliant, and Steve Rubel can be brilliant or really off, and borders on plagiarism at times. Does it matter? Obviously not! Look at ToddAnd’s Power 150! We love our marketing [...] [...] usually brilliant, and Steve Rubel can be brilliant or really off, and borders on plagiarism at times. Does it matter? Obviously not! Look at ToddAnd’s Power 150! We love our marketing [...]

]]> By: Chris Heuer http://www.crttbuzzbin.com/2007/06/22/now-that-steve-said-rubel-it-we-can-all-participate/comment-page-1/#comment-2111 Chris Heuer Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:14:45 +0000 http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/blog/2007/06/22/now-that-steve-said-rubel-it-we-can-all-participate/#comment-2111 It really doesn't matter to me one bit about this, but attribution is a key form of currency which some people are more willing to put into the karma pool than others. Without it, the intention economy and our social media sphere doesn't work effectively. Personally, I believe he doesn't recall who or what informed him of those ideas and that phrasing - while I don't personally recall exactly when I started talking about it myself (probably shortly after the first BarCamp), I am sure other people were thinking and saying the same thing around the time, but I never met them. The key is getting to the heart of the matter and helping people understand what it really means - you can only truly benefit from participation when it is genuine, when you are contributing more than taking and when your intentions are related to being a member of the community - not someone who is exploiting the opportunity to sell instead of have conversations. I have seen way too many 'advanced networkers' at different events in the valley who were jumping from person to person pitching whatever they had at the moment to sell, never stopping to find out who they were talking at, and never talking 'with' anyone. I suppose I need to write a post on this now to explain further... maybe you and I should just do a skype call to talk about it and we can post it as a podcast? It really doesn’t matter to me one bit about this, but attribution is a key form of currency which some people are more willing to put into the karma pool than others. Without it, the intention economy and our social media sphere doesn’t work effectively.

Personally, I believe he doesn’t recall who or what informed him of those ideas and that phrasing – while I don’t personally recall exactly when I started talking about it myself (probably shortly after the first BarCamp), I am sure other people were thinking and saying the same thing around the time, but I never met them.

The key is getting to the heart of the matter and helping people understand what it really means – you can only truly benefit from participation when it is genuine, when you are contributing more than taking and when your intentions are related to being a member of the community – not someone who is exploiting the opportunity to sell instead of have conversations. I have seen way too many ‘advanced networkers’ at different events in the valley who were jumping from person to person pitching whatever they had at the moment to sell, never stopping to find out who they were talking at, and never talking ‘with’ anyone.

I suppose I need to write a post on this now to explain further… maybe you and I should just do a skype call to talk about it and we can post it as a podcast?

]]> By: Geoff Livingston http://www.crttbuzzbin.com/2007/06/22/now-that-steve-said-rubel-it-we-can-all-participate/comment-page-1/#comment-2101 Geoff Livingston Mon, 25 Jun 2007 01:44:07 +0000 http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/blog/2007/06/22/now-that-steve-said-rubel-it-we-can-all-participate/#comment-2101 Actually, now that I read Chris Heuer's comment feed on this particular post, I sincerely doubt the authenticity and sincerity of your comment, Steve. Here's the quote: "Thanks for acknowledging the many who have lead the way before you, whose ideas and quotes you are able to use to get attention for yourself without attribution. When I talked to you about "participation is marketing" at Gnomedex last year, you weren't very interested. I don't have a problem with you or with your promotion of this very key idea - in fact, I am very happy for the fact that you have come around." Actually, now that I read Chris Heuer’s comment feed on this particular post, I sincerely doubt the authenticity and sincerity of your comment, Steve. Here’s the quote:
“Thanks for acknowledging the many who have lead the way before you, whose ideas and quotes you are able to use to get attention for yourself without attribution. When I talked to you about “participation is marketing” at Gnomedex last year, you weren’t very interested. I don’t have a problem with you or with your promotion of this very key idea – in fact, I am very happy for the fact that you have come around.”

]]> By: The Buzz Bin » Blog Archive » Sports Starts Outmuscle Beat Writers http://www.crttbuzzbin.com/2007/06/22/now-that-steve-said-rubel-it-we-can-all-participate/comment-page-1/#comment-2057 The Buzz Bin » Blog Archive » Sports Starts Outmuscle Beat Writers Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:17:29 +0000 http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/blog/2007/06/22/now-that-steve-said-rubel-it-we-can-all-participate/#comment-2057 [...] The extra voices are good. Even better, the new found media forces accountability for all parties (See Steve Rubel post) - including journalists. Journalists objective point of views are needed. There will always be a need for journalists and great publications. The ones who can’t be objective or offer some valuable insights will likely fade to black. And rightly so. [...] [...] The extra voices are good. Even better, the new found media forces accountability for all parties (See Steve Rubel post) – including journalists. Journalists objective point of views are needed. There will always be a need for journalists and great publications. The ones who can’t be objective or offer some valuable insights will likely fade to black. And rightly so. [...]

]]> By: Geoff Livingston http://www.crttbuzzbin.com/2007/06/22/now-that-steve-said-rubel-it-we-can-all-participate/comment-page-1/#comment-2025 Geoff Livingston Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:11:15 +0000 http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/blog/2007/06/22/now-that-steve-said-rubel-it-we-can-all-participate/#comment-2025 Thanks, Steve. I take my chucker comments back... Thanks, Steve. I take my chucker comments back…

]]> By: Steve Rubel http://www.crttbuzzbin.com/2007/06/22/now-that-steve-said-rubel-it-we-can-all-participate/comment-page-1/#comment-2024 Steve Rubel Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:02:16 +0000 http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/blog/2007/06/22/now-that-steve-said-rubel-it-we-can-all-participate/#comment-2024 I hadn't seen those before I wrote the post. Thanks. I hadn’t seen those before I wrote the post. Thanks.

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