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	<title>Comments on: Six Reasons to Lighten Up on Businesses</title>
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		<title>By: Kaitlyn Wilkins</title>
		<link>http://www.crttbuzzbin.com/2007/09/10/six-reasons-to-lighten-up-on-businesses/comment-page-1/#comment-47157</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaitlyn Wilkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 18:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] What are ya, stupid? A handful of people felt that while the Code laid out a great foundation for blogger outreach, it was really just PR 101 touching on the basics that should already be adhered to. We agree. However, there are enough people out there doing outreach badly â€“ and breaking these â€œobviousâ€ ground rules â€“ that we felt a conversation involving all sides needed to happen around what could be done better. Take Away: Hold yourself accountable to the basic rules of engagement in PR! We didnâ€™t throw the general ethical principals of communication out the door when we moved online. [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Copywrite, Ink.: September 2007</title>
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		<dc:creator>Copywrite, Ink.: September 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 04:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] people dream up. As Geoff Livingston said in an unrelated but pointed post, maybe we all need to lighten up. Not just in this country. Americans aren&#8217;t alone in labeling people. It is a Korean problem, [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Now Is Gone Â» Corporate Social Media: What's the ROI?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Now Is Gone Â» Corporate Social Media: What's the ROI?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] of engaging in a conversation, the participation marketing ethos, etc. However, we all know that businesses blog and create social media campaigns to market themselves&#8230; and make [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Recruiting Bloggers.com: Thinning The Workforce Of "Those People"</title>
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		<dc:creator>Recruiting Bloggers.com: Thinning The Workforce Of "Those People"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] If we are ever going to break away from this apparent need to label each other, it will take a general willingness for individuals to make the decision not to discriminate based upon whatever divisive characteristics people dream up. As Geoff Livingston said in an unrelated but pointed post, maybe we all need to lighten up. [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Geoff Livingston</title>
		<link>http://www.crttbuzzbin.com/2007/09/10/six-reasons-to-lighten-up-on-businesses/comment-page-1/#comment-8231</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Livingston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lewis and Jon: Good points, both of you.  Lewis: I agree, I always write for my readers, and slave over the stats to see what kind of pieces they want, or would be interested in.

Jon: I, too, have been guilty of power-driven argument, and I always regret it.  In the end, we must remember that we are all people, and that even on the business side, there are people making these errors.  Since I make errors, who am i to judge others for theirs?  Thus conversation over high and mighty, as you communicated so well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lewis and Jon: Good points, both of you.  Lewis: I agree, I always write for my readers, and slave over the stats to see what kind of pieces they want, or would be interested in.</p>
<p>Jon: I, too, have been guilty of power-driven argument, and I always regret it.  In the end, we must remember that we are all people, and that even on the business side, there are people making these errors.  Since I make errors, who am i to judge others for theirs?  Thus conversation over high and mighty, as you communicated so well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon / BlogThot.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon / BlogThot.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!  I think another issue that needs to be addressed is the arrogance seen in certain corners of the blogosphere.  If the dialogue is adversarial instead of conversational, bloggers feel that they are bossing the companies around while ultimately making themselves feel more important.  Sometimes, the hope of having companies bring us better products through conversation gets lost in the overwhelming desire to let your voice be heard and your opinion known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!  I think another issue that needs to be addressed is the arrogance seen in certain corners of the blogosphere.  If the dialogue is adversarial instead of conversational, bloggers feel that they are bossing the companies around while ultimately making themselves feel more important.  Sometimes, the hope of having companies bring us better products through conversation gets lost in the overwhelming desire to let your voice be heard and your opinion known.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff,

Good post. This is a topic that we need more conversation around. We should help businesses succeed in the blogosphere, not criticize them for not doing it our way. Like you, I am a blogger and an entrepreneur. I blog not only to listen and learn but also to share and to build my brand image. And I always write with my critical audience in mind: other businesses that can use my services. Anyone who is a business person doesn&#039;t communicate with but one goal in mind. Yes, listening is important. But it is not the only reason to blog. Thanks Geoff for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff,</p>
<p>Good post. This is a topic that we need more conversation around. We should help businesses succeed in the blogosphere, not criticize them for not doing it our way. Like you, I am a blogger and an entrepreneur. I blog not only to listen and learn but also to share and to build my brand image. And I always write with my critical audience in mind: other businesses that can use my services. Anyone who is a business person doesn&#8217;t communicate with but one goal in mind. Yes, listening is important. But it is not the only reason to blog. Thanks Geoff for sharing.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Geoff Livingston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Livingston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ike:  You caught my gist .&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;David: They do need to play by the rules, per my reference.  But we need to stop throttling them every misstep with blown out incidents.  Complaining , yes!  Brand destruction, not necessarily, at least not on initial, relatively minor blunders.  Also, bad PR people will kill social media campaigns.  But I think a killed social media campaign is one with no participants rather than bad headlines...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here are those referred to principles in the Think Liquid post:&lt;br /&gt;
   1. Do not try to control the message&lt;br /&gt;
   2. Honesty, ethics and transparencies are musts&lt;br /&gt;
   3. Participation within the community is marketing (Heuer)&lt;br /&gt;
   4. Communication to audiences is an out-dated 20th century concept (Rosen) Marketers must take a community approach to social media&lt;br /&gt;
   5. Use social media to build value for the community&lt;br /&gt;
   6. Inspire your community with real, exciting information, not corporate propaganda&lt;br /&gt;
   7. Intelligently manage your media forms (RSS, frequency, etc.) to build a stronger, loyal community&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ike:  You caught my gist .</p>
<p>David: They do need to play by the rules, per my reference.  But we need to stop throttling them every misstep with blown out incidents.  Complaining , yes!  Brand destruction, not necessarily, at least not on initial, relatively minor blunders.  Also, bad PR people will kill social media campaigns.  But I think a killed social media campaign is one with no participants rather than bad headlines&#8230;</p>
<p>Here are those referred to principles in the Think Liquid post:<br />
   1. Do not try to control the message<br />
   2. Honesty, ethics and transparencies are musts<br />
   3. Participation within the community is marketing (Heuer)<br />
   4. Communication to audiences is an out-dated 20th century concept (Rosen) Marketers must take a community approach to social media<br />
   5. Use social media to build value for the community<br />
   6. Inspire your community with real, exciting information, not corporate propaganda<br />
   7. Intelligently manage your media forms (RSS, frequency, etc.) to build a stronger, loyal community</p>
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		<title>By: David Wescott</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Wescott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a couple of thoughts on a great post - first, with all due respect and then some, I really don&#039;t think the ethics issues are still being worked out at all.  The real problem is some people may have assumed that we threw the general ethical principles of communications out the door as soon as we moved online.  I think the greater issue is some folks are lazy and don&#039;t want to do what it takes to really learn this stuff. 

I think we need to remember that social media as we&#039;re discussing it right now is really just an opportunity for business to learn more about what their customers want.  But it means businesses have to lecture less and listen more. 

Start thinking about folks who lead and participate in online discussions as a slightly different demographic with different needs and interests.  We should be in a learning phase.  Yes, selling stuff is what businesses do.  But you can&#039;t sell stuff if you don&#039;t know what your customers (or your audience) wants, and so we need to spend a little time understanding this new demographic. 

business will never please everyone.  but they&#039;re in social media for the long run.  There needs to be a little more investment in understanding who the participants are and what they want.  The best pr professionals will spend some time gathering that knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a couple of thoughts on a great post &#8211; first, with all due respect and then some, I really don&#8217;t think the ethics issues are still being worked out at all.  The real problem is some people may have assumed that we threw the general ethical principles of communications out the door as soon as we moved online.  I think the greater issue is some folks are lazy and don&#8217;t want to do what it takes to really learn this stuff. </p>
<p>I think we need to remember that social media as we&#8217;re discussing it right now is really just an opportunity for business to learn more about what their customers want.  But it means businesses have to lecture less and listen more. </p>
<p>Start thinking about folks who lead and participate in online discussions as a slightly different demographic with different needs and interests.  We should be in a learning phase.  Yes, selling stuff is what businesses do.  But you can&#8217;t sell stuff if you don&#8217;t know what your customers (or your audience) wants, and so we need to spend a little time understanding this new demographic. </p>
<p>business will never please everyone.  but they&#8217;re in social media for the long run.  There needs to be a little more investment in understanding who the participants are and what they want.  The best pr professionals will spend some time gathering that knowledge.</p>
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