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		<title>By: friarminor</title>
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		<dc:creator>friarminor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obscurity.  Now that isn&#039;t so bad.  No special list or tips nor know-how. I am not shooting for even a few loyal and true believers as I am content being someone who writes on web things that interest me.

Now and then I might blurt out a post/content on something I really am passionate about but the quest to be an A-lister isn&#039;t on my book and definitely not within my reach- speaking of of obvious personal limitations and difficulties.

Still, more than happy to connect with bright minds and kind souls online.  I&#039;d like to say it&#039;s networking but I&#039;d rather use the term distant friends.

Great post, Geoff along with the insightful comments.

Best.
alain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obscurity.  Now that isn&#8217;t so bad.  No special list or tips nor know-how. I am not shooting for even a few loyal and true believers as I am content being someone who writes on web things that interest me.</p>
<p>Now and then I might blurt out a post/content on something I really am passionate about but the quest to be an A-lister isn&#8217;t on my book and definitely not within my reach- speaking of of obvious personal limitations and difficulties.</p>
<p>Still, more than happy to connect with bright minds and kind souls online.  I&#8217;d like to say it&#8217;s networking but I&#8217;d rather use the term distant friends.</p>
<p>Great post, Geoff along with the insightful comments.</p>
<p>Best.<br />
alain</p>
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		<title>By: Kami Huyse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kami Huyse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I really like how you are developing this idea.  The bottom line is that celebrity blogging is a different animal than blogging for influence in a niche. Mix business in and you have an even more complex brew. Blogs are merely publishing tools, what we are talking about here is the building of influence, however you may define it. Blogs are a vehicle, and the roads are indeed getting more crowded.  The competition for attention is fierce and I don&#039;t expect it to get easier.  Those with the talent for it will break through, but not just anyone can do it. There is much work to be done if it is your goal to be well-known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I really like how you are developing this idea.  The bottom line is that celebrity blogging is a different animal than blogging for influence in a niche. Mix business in and you have an even more complex brew. Blogs are merely publishing tools, what we are talking about here is the building of influence, however you may define it. Blogs are a vehicle, and the roads are indeed getting more crowded.  The competition for attention is fierce and I don&#8217;t expect it to get easier.  Those with the talent for it will break through, but not just anyone can do it. There is much work to be done if it is your goal to be well-known.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Trenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a worthy subject.  While technically Robert is correct - yes anyone can end up on some sort of &quot;A&quot; list - that wasn&#039;t Geoff&#039;s point.  It&#039;s a lot more difficult these days.  There are SO MANY people doing it, it&#039;s that much more difficult to develop that influence.  For many, they need a Forrester or a major company behind them.

To Robert, if you&#039;re reading this.  You were a pioneer, a true early adopter.  Every industry has people like that.  One of the first in the pool and you also have carried yourself with a certain ability to expand on it while not becoming too big for it.

Geoff is doing that as well - at least here in the DC area.

I often equate all of this to playing the guitar.  Or acting.  There are plenty of great guitarists that never make it big because a break didn&#039;t come.  They&#039;ll have a regional following.  People will wonder why they&#039;re not huge.  But the reality is that there is only so much room on that &quot;A&quot; list.  Sometimes it&#039;s about quality, sometimes it&#039;s connections, sometimes it&#039;s luck, sometimes it&#039;s determination.  Usually it&#039;s all of the above.  And it&#039;s getting all the more difficult.  So be it.

Jonathan (who was once ranked as a &quot;C&quot; blogger)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a worthy subject.  While technically Robert is correct &#8211; yes anyone can end up on some sort of &#8220;A&#8221; list &#8211; that wasn&#8217;t Geoff&#8217;s point.  It&#8217;s a lot more difficult these days.  There are SO MANY people doing it, it&#8217;s that much more difficult to develop that influence.  For many, they need a Forrester or a major company behind them.</p>
<p>To Robert, if you&#8217;re reading this.  You were a pioneer, a true early adopter.  Every industry has people like that.  One of the first in the pool and you also have carried yourself with a certain ability to expand on it while not becoming too big for it.</p>
<p>Geoff is doing that as well &#8211; at least here in the DC area.</p>
<p>I often equate all of this to playing the guitar.  Or acting.  There are plenty of great guitarists that never make it big because a break didn&#8217;t come.  They&#8217;ll have a regional following.  People will wonder why they&#8217;re not huge.  But the reality is that there is only so much room on that &#8220;A&#8221; list.  Sometimes it&#8217;s about quality, sometimes it&#8217;s connections, sometimes it&#8217;s luck, sometimes it&#8217;s determination.  Usually it&#8217;s all of the above.  And it&#8217;s getting all the more difficult.  So be it.</p>
<p>Jonathan (who was once ranked as a &#8220;C&#8221; blogger)</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Livingston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Livingston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alex @Valeria @Tim  I would say the frameworks outlined in this post could be expanded, but it would be a series of posts. Certainly your comments help do that.

@Alex I look forward to meeting you soon.

@Robert @Frank Agreed it can be done, but I agree with Valeria in that you have to be realistic. It&#039;s not that easy anymore. People aren&#039;t bubbling out of the woodwork like they used to... I think this is analagous to starting your own business and successfully building something. It&#039;s a real ass kicker.  Yeah, the dream is still there, but you have to earn it.

In the Washington Post today, there is an interesting article on blogging, which discusses some of the business uses: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/24/AR2008082401517.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alex @Valeria @Tim  I would say the frameworks outlined in this post could be expanded, but it would be a series of posts. Certainly your comments help do that.</p>
<p>@Alex I look forward to meeting you soon.</p>
<p>@Robert @Frank Agreed it can be done, but I agree with Valeria in that you have to be realistic. It&#8217;s not that easy anymore. People aren&#8217;t bubbling out of the woodwork like they used to&#8230; I think this is analagous to starting your own business and successfully building something. It&#8217;s a real ass kicker.  Yeah, the dream is still there, but you have to earn it.</p>
<p>In the Washington Post today, there is an interesting article on blogging, which discusses some of the business uses: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/24/AR2008082401517.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/24/AR2008082401517.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who tends to follow things like Zuckerberg-Lacy and now Scoble-Livingston from afar...it seems like there is sometime the &quot;blow-up&quot; factor, too. Surely, Sarah Lacy became known to a *ton* of more people after SXSW, no? And, it sounds like she put that notoriety to good use. This is an unfortunate way to grow one&#039;s name online, but it&#039;s not really anything new -- just like the militant fringes of any issue tend to get traditional media coverage.

To complement that in a more positive manner, and maybe to support Scoble&#039;s last comment, there is the value of having a distinctive voice/personality online. Gary Vaynerchuk comes to mind.

I like the four-legged framework you&#039;ve described. But, it seems like there are other ancillary factors that can help someone successfully establish their online &quot;blog&quot; presence (along with &quot;their pedigree&quot;) -- whether those factors become make-or-break depends on how solid they are on the four factors you described.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who tends to follow things like Zuckerberg-Lacy and now Scoble-Livingston from afar&#8230;it seems like there is sometime the &#8220;blow-up&#8221; factor, too. Surely, Sarah Lacy became known to a *ton* of more people after SXSW, no? And, it sounds like she put that notoriety to good use. This is an unfortunate way to grow one&#8217;s name online, but it&#8217;s not really anything new &#8212; just like the militant fringes of any issue tend to get traditional media coverage.</p>
<p>To complement that in a more positive manner, and maybe to support Scoble&#8217;s last comment, there is the value of having a distinctive voice/personality online. Gary Vaynerchuk comes to mind.</p>
<p>I like the four-legged framework you&#8217;ve described. But, it seems like there are other ancillary factors that can help someone successfully establish their online &#8220;blog&#8221; presence (along with &#8220;their pedigree&#8221;) &#8212; whether those factors become make-or-break depends on how solid they are on the four factors you described.</p>
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		<title>By: Valeria Maltoni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valeria Maltoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Geoff - it is a bit more than just content creation +. It is also the ability to articulate thought in a way that paves the conditions to action. It needs to answer the unspoken questions &quot;so what?&quot;. I would also like to point out that there are many ways to build community. There are people who are tirelessly at work to help others connect and succeed behind the scenes.  

@Alex - &quot;how to&quot; posts can be crafted to make you think. The two are not mutually exclusive. You just need to dig a little deeper to do it that way. Also, sometimes the content that makes you think/inspires to action long term is that you may not even agree with, or want to comment on short term. 

@Scoble - you are invited to show me an example of an anyone just like me who has made their name on the Web without attending every new media event (I&#039;ve got a day job that right now is a bit at odds with being fully immersed), covering a lot of news (again, you&#039;ve got to be there or be on the radar to get the news in the first place). Finally, online as in my career, I have found that being a woman means I need to work at least twice as hard to get somewhere to the north of half or a quarter of the credit. I&#039;ve got a lot of help and support to even be mentioned in posts like this one. C&#039;mon, let&#039;s be realistic. Give me a shout if you&#039;d like to talk more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Geoff &#8211; it is a bit more than just content creation +. It is also the ability to articulate thought in a way that paves the conditions to action. It needs to answer the unspoken questions &#8220;so what?&#8221;. I would also like to point out that there are many ways to build community. There are people who are tirelessly at work to help others connect and succeed behind the scenes.  </p>
<p>@Alex &#8211; &#8220;how to&#8221; posts can be crafted to make you think. The two are not mutually exclusive. You just need to dig a little deeper to do it that way. Also, sometimes the content that makes you think/inspires to action long term is that you may not even agree with, or want to comment on short term. </p>
<p>@Scoble &#8211; you are invited to show me an example of an anyone just like me who has made their name on the Web without attending every new media event (I&#8217;ve got a day job that right now is a bit at odds with being fully immersed), covering a lot of news (again, you&#8217;ve got to be there or be on the radar to get the news in the first place). Finally, online as in my career, I have found that being a woman means I need to work at least twice as hard to get somewhere to the north of half or a quarter of the credit. I&#8217;ve got a lot of help and support to even be mentioned in posts like this one. C&#8217;mon, let&#8217;s be realistic. Give me a shout if you&#8217;d like to talk more.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Scoble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Scoble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, I was passionate about one thing:

Anyone can make a big name on the Web. Anyone.

I hate it when people say that the A list is all decided and all that and that it&#039;s too hard to break into it.

I have example after example of why that&#039;s total bullshit.

That&#039;s why I got worked up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, I was passionate about one thing:</p>
<p>Anyone can make a big name on the Web. Anyone.</p>
<p>I hate it when people say that the A list is all decided and all that and that it&#8217;s too hard to break into it.</p>
<p>I have example after example of why that&#8217;s total bullshit.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I got worked up.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Trenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post.  I&#039;m not sure why Scoble got pissed.

I&#039;d add another reason why it&#039;s so hard to get enough traction  to be able to really monetize blogs: Time.  

Not many entrepreneurs can find the time in their daily lives to consistently blog and connect and blog and connect.  It blows me away when I see the Arringtons of the world suggest that entrepreneurs just forge ahead and they&#039;ll have press contacts in no time.  

Substitute the word &quot;people&quot; for entrepreneurs and its even more telling.  People have spouses to be with, kids to read to and tuck in at night. Spending an extra two hours a day researching, writing, and responding is too much. Joining the conversation can get you notoriety - which is what most want anyway - but it will take a good dose of luck (if desired) to monetize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post.  I&#8217;m not sure why Scoble got pissed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d add another reason why it&#8217;s so hard to get enough traction  to be able to really monetize blogs: Time.  </p>
<p>Not many entrepreneurs can find the time in their daily lives to consistently blog and connect and blog and connect.  It blows me away when I see the Arringtons of the world suggest that entrepreneurs just forge ahead and they&#8217;ll have press contacts in no time.  </p>
<p>Substitute the word &#8220;people&#8221; for entrepreneurs and its even more telling.  People have spouses to be with, kids to read to and tuck in at night. Spending an extra two hours a day researching, writing, and responding is too much. Joining the conversation can get you notoriety &#8211; which is what most want anyway &#8211; but it will take a good dose of luck (if desired) to monetize.</p>
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		<title>By: Amber Naslund</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber Naslund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Geoff,

So glad you posted about this. This is a big part of the huge misconceptions that exist about working - even in part - within and along side &quot;social media&quot;.

Companies and individuals look at the benchmark bloggers like Scoble and think it&#039;s just a matter of tossing some stuff out there to see what sticks. But I love your point about building a network being more than half the battle. A strong community can help drive, support, and even improve content. But no amount of content can build a community if that&#039;s all there is.

The rules of blogging have changed, and will continue to do so. The ubiquity of online voice for individuals, companies, and communities will no longer reward someone just for being there and for having the power of a big flashy brand behind them to lend credibility. Like anything else, it will become about careful planning and lots and lots of hard, dedicated work.

The standouts will be those that, over time, truly understand and artfully blend their creativity with business value for their audience, their need for self expression with the long-term needs of their community.

Thanks again for some thought provoking stuff.

Amber</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Geoff,</p>
<p>So glad you posted about this. This is a big part of the huge misconceptions that exist about working &#8211; even in part &#8211; within and along side &#8220;social media&#8221;.</p>
<p>Companies and individuals look at the benchmark bloggers like Scoble and think it&#8217;s just a matter of tossing some stuff out there to see what sticks. But I love your point about building a network being more than half the battle. A strong community can help drive, support, and even improve content. But no amount of content can build a community if that&#8217;s all there is.</p>
<p>The rules of blogging have changed, and will continue to do so. The ubiquity of online voice for individuals, companies, and communities will no longer reward someone just for being there and for having the power of a big flashy brand behind them to lend credibility. Like anything else, it will become about careful planning and lots and lots of hard, dedicated work.</p>
<p>The standouts will be those that, over time, truly understand and artfully blend their creativity with business value for their audience, their need for self expression with the long-term needs of their community.</p>
<p>Thanks again for some thought provoking stuff.</p>
<p>Amber</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the insight you have provide here. I&#039;d  agree that the battle to become a &#039;superstar&#039; blogger is tough and that coming from a prominent organization/career REALLY helps to kick things off ... but at the end of the day it&#039;s like the American Dream ... anyone has a chance to succeed and make a difference. 

It&#039;s also like most other professions in that not everyone is suited for being a pro-blogger - i mean - not everyone can be an all start football or basketball athlete. 

Everyone has to find their niche! 
(And sometimes finding that niche takes a long time)

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http://twitter.com/franswaa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the insight you have provide here. I&#8217;d  agree that the battle to become a &#8217;superstar&#8217; blogger is tough and that coming from a prominent organization/career REALLY helps to kick things off &#8230; but at the end of the day it&#8217;s like the American Dream &#8230; anyone has a chance to succeed and make a difference. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also like most other professions in that not everyone is suited for being a pro-blogger &#8211; i mean &#8211; not everyone can be an all start football or basketball athlete. </p>
<p>Everyone has to find their niche!<br />
(And sometimes finding that niche takes a long time)</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
<a href="http://twitter.com/franswaa" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/franswaa</a></p>
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