Comments on: Idiots and Gossip (Plus Other Tales from the Sociometer) http://www.crttbuzzbin.com/2009/01/04/idiots-and-gossip-plus-other-tales-from-the-sociometer/ Musings and analysis on marketing, buzz and communications. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:07:22 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Some Truths About Crowdsourcing | Geoff Livingston's Blog http://www.crttbuzzbin.com/2009/01/04/idiots-and-gossip-plus-other-tales-from-the-sociometer/comment-page-1/#comment-290682 Some Truths About Crowdsourcing | Geoff Livingston's Blog Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:34:35 +0000 http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/?p=2290#comment-290682 [...] are other issues, such as managing the idea market so that popularity doesn’t trump quality. Another is ensuring that while the crowd may want a [...] [...] are other issues, such as managing the idea market so that popularity doesn’t trump quality. Another is ensuring that while the crowd may want a [...]

]]> By: Productive Crowdsourcing Requires Community Management http://www.crttbuzzbin.com/2009/01/04/idiots-and-gossip-plus-other-tales-from-the-sociometer/comment-page-1/#comment-228929 Productive Crowdsourcing Requires Community Management Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:44:20 +0000 http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/?p=2290#comment-228929 [...] about crowdsourcing as the new ethos of the social web. But the crowd is not always trustworthy as research shows (see this post for crowdsourcing negatives), creating a need for strong community management skills so an organization can realize productive [...] [...] about crowdsourcing as the new ethos of the social web. But the crowd is not always trustworthy as research shows (see this post for crowdsourcing negatives), creating a need for strong community management skills so an organization can realize productive [...]

]]> By: Productive Crowdsourcing Requires Community Management – The Buzz Bin http://www.crttbuzzbin.com/2009/01/04/idiots-and-gossip-plus-other-tales-from-the-sociometer/comment-page-1/#comment-226061 Productive Crowdsourcing Requires Community Management – The Buzz Bin Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:36:34 +0000 http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/?p=2290#comment-226061 [...] about crowdsourcing as the new ethos of the social web. But the crowd is not always trustworthy as research shows (see this post for crowdsourcing negatives), creating a need for strong community management skills so an organization can realize productive [...] [...] about crowdsourcing as the new ethos of the social web. But the crowd is not always trustworthy as research shows (see this post for crowdsourcing negatives), creating a need for strong community management skills so an organization can realize productive [...]

]]> By: Should We Trust the Crowd? – The Buzz Bin http://www.crttbuzzbin.com/2009/01/04/idiots-and-gossip-plus-other-tales-from-the-sociometer/comment-page-1/#comment-163967 Should We Trust the Crowd? – The Buzz Bin Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:49:55 +0000 http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/?p=2290#comment-163967 [...] Alex Penton found the same phenomena in social networks. Idea markets can laud one idea over and over again, which may or may not be a good one. Meanwhile, [...] [...] Alex Penton found the same phenomena in social networks. Idea markets can laud one idea over and over again, which may or may not be a good one. Meanwhile, [...]

]]> By: Examining Siloed Processes » The Buzz Bin http://www.crttbuzzbin.com/2009/01/04/idiots-and-gossip-plus-other-tales-from-the-sociometer/comment-page-1/#comment-91913 Examining Siloed Processes » The Buzz Bin Tue, 07 Apr 2009 01:45:29 +0000 http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/?p=2290#comment-91913 [...] It’s all about empowering the front line and associated stakeholders; more people power vs. less control. But still, don’t relinquish quality checks. The reality is while more brain power is good, there are still dangers to crowdsourcing and idea markets. [...] [...] It’s all about empowering the front line and associated stakeholders; more people power vs. less control. But still, don’t relinquish quality checks. The reality is while more brain power is good, there are still dangers to crowdsourcing and idea markets. [...]

]]> By: Leveraging Idea Markets While Avoiding Echo Chambers » The Buzz Bin http://www.crttbuzzbin.com/2009/01/04/idiots-and-gossip-plus-other-tales-from-the-sociometer/comment-page-1/#comment-78162 Leveraging Idea Markets While Avoiding Echo Chambers » The Buzz Bin Mon, 19 Jan 2009 04:03:12 +0000 http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/?p=2290#comment-78162 [...] can go astray and turn into echo chambers and losing their value as idea markets (see book Honest Signals for [...] [...] can go astray and turn into echo chambers and losing their value as idea markets (see book Honest Signals for [...]

]]> By: Ben Kunz http://www.crttbuzzbin.com/2009/01/04/idiots-and-gossip-plus-other-tales-from-the-sociometer/comment-page-1/#comment-76143 Ben Kunz Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:18:56 +0000 http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/?p=2290#comment-76143 This idea of "honest signals" vs. groupthink points out that all of social media is a bit of a fringe religion, believed by 1% or less of the global population. We SM advocates may be obsessed with emerging communications but in reality are only a fraction of humanity (texting or videoing messages to each other while the rest talk, love or fight in "real time"). Pan out all the way and it is possible that social media itself is "the introduction of a bad idea" -- a new television, an opiate for the masses, in which the affluent right edge of the bell curve spends time immersed in virtual realities called Facebook or Twitter. Will the median of humanity follow? I'm playing devil's advocate, of course, but perhaps all the hyperbole over tweeting each other ideas is overwrought. People are learning to create more than receive, and I'm sure Pew is right -- by 2020 cell phones will be in so many hands, the internet will make some forms of old media irrelevant. But, still ... books line the shelves of my house. The current extrapolation that social media will revolutionize all communications could be overwrought ... just as in the 1950s futurists thought that by now, we'd all have robots and be commuting in flying saucers. To get a real read on the future, be sure to include some Luddites in your Twitter stream. This idea of “honest signals” vs. groupthink points out that all of social media is a bit of a fringe religion, believed by 1% or less of the global population. We SM advocates may be obsessed with emerging communications but in reality are only a fraction of humanity (texting or videoing messages to each other while the rest talk, love or fight in “real time”).

Pan out all the way and it is possible that social media itself is “the introduction of a bad idea” — a new television, an opiate for the masses, in which the affluent right edge of the bell curve spends time immersed in virtual realities called Facebook or Twitter. Will the median of humanity follow?

I’m playing devil’s advocate, of course, but perhaps all the hyperbole over tweeting each other ideas is overwrought. People are learning to create more than receive, and I’m sure Pew is right — by 2020 cell phones will be in so many hands, the internet will make some forms of old media irrelevant. But, still … books line the shelves of my house.

The current extrapolation that social media will revolutionize all communications could be overwrought … just as in the 1950s futurists thought that by now, we’d all have robots and be commuting in flying saucers. To get a real read on the future, be sure to include some Luddites in your Twitter stream.

]]> By: Andrew Keen: Why give unwired people broadband access "when millions of them will be unemployed, disorientated and angry?" http://is.gd/ev5e - FriendFeed http://www.crttbuzzbin.com/2009/01/04/idiots-and-gossip-plus-other-tales-from-the-sociometer/comment-page-1/#comment-76141 Andrew Keen: Why give unwired people broadband access "when millions of them will be unemployed, disorientated and angry?" http://is.gd/ev5e - FriendFeed Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:13:11 +0000 http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/?p=2290#comment-76141 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] an exaggerated view for the sake of effect. most people are dumb, online babble proves it .. see http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/... ..... keen doesn't see the way beyond this .. maybe some of us do .. - postlinearity a quote [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] an exaggerated view for the sake of effect. most people are dumb, online babble proves it .. see http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/... ….. keen doesn’t see the way beyond this .. maybe some of us do .. – postlinearity a quote [...]

]]> By: Geoff Livingston http://www.crttbuzzbin.com/2009/01/04/idiots-and-gossip-plus-other-tales-from-the-sociometer/comment-page-1/#comment-76126 Geoff Livingston Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:39:10 +0000 http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/?p=2290#comment-76126 LOL, provocative theory the idiots and gossip thing. My jaw dropped when it was written about in those exact terms over and over again. But sure enough it was there, and well substantiated. Still chewing on the idea markets portion. I think another blog post at some point on that one. LOL, provocative theory the idiots and gossip thing. My jaw dropped when it was written about in those exact terms over and over again. But sure enough it was there, and well substantiated. Still chewing on the idea markets portion. I think another blog post at some point on that one.

]]> By: Lauren Vargas http://www.crttbuzzbin.com/2009/01/04/idiots-and-gossip-plus-other-tales-from-the-sociometer/comment-page-1/#comment-76111 Lauren Vargas Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:01:55 +0000 http://www.livingstonbuzz.com/?p=2290#comment-76111 Provocative review, Geoff. I look forward to reading this book. An excellent dovetail read from the latest book I read, Buyology by Martin Lindstrom. Perception lies deeper in the inner mind. Indirect signals are much more powerful than direct signals. This is very tough information for most people to swallow. For so long these theories were not scientifically based and therefore not valid...the tide is turning. Provocative review, Geoff. I look forward to reading this book. An excellent dovetail read from the latest book I read, Buyology by Martin Lindstrom. Perception lies deeper in the inner mind. Indirect signals are much more powerful than direct signals. This is very tough information for most people to swallow. For so long these theories were not scientifically based and therefore not valid…the tide is turning.

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